Starbucks revolutionized the coffee industry, but it lags in lid technology
That's what columnist Michael O'Rourke says. "McDonald's has the retractable nodule. Burger King has the plastic slide cover. Lids that prevent spilling. Lids that keep the precious caffeine-laced beverage from burning your hands or soiling your floor mats. Any Starbucks drinker who has hit a pothole knows the drawbacks to the Starbucks lid design. You can spot them by the blisters on their hands." Time for Starbucks to tweak its lids so you can cover that hole? (Read the story at mysanantonio.com)
Oh they have it all worked out lucratively...they *can* cover the hole. With their commuter mugs. For only $19.95.
Posted by: Christy | July 14, 2006 at 10:25 AM
"Can I get a sticker for the top? I love the taste of melted adhesive in my latte."
"Can I have a spill-proof lid? I'll be going into orbit later in the day I think. A space trip is overdue."
Posted by: Sheik | July 14, 2006 at 10:44 AM
Okay, so I work for Starbucks and drink about twice as much as an average customer. Including in my car, in my house, while walking, you name it. I have, in five years, only had about two lid mishaps. The problem is that customers are constantly taking the lid off to see how much room we left, putting it on, taking it off to add cream, taking the lid off to "sip" it, taking the lid off while driving to blow on it. If they just left the lid alone, they'd be fine.
Posted by: SBUXGRL | July 14, 2006 at 11:09 AM
http://www.randyrants.com/2004/04/april_fools_abo.html
I've been lamenting about this for over 2 years now - other people even longer... 7-11 have great lids too, even if their coffee is terrible.
It's sad.
Posted by: Randy | July 14, 2006 at 11:53 AM
Oh and for what it's worth, I've never once opened the lid to see what's left in it. Mocha's explode in both my cars. So do Gingerbread latte's. Vanilla and Eggnog latte's do not, though.
And if you think it's still "whining" try driving with ANY hot drink in a Wrangler!
Posted by: Randy | July 14, 2006 at 11:55 AM
The solution: stixtogo.com
(no affiliation)
Posted by: Nick | July 14, 2006 at 12:02 PM
sbuxgrl: I'm glad you've rarely had trouble. Good for you.
Those of us who live in the real world would like something done about those %$#@# lids!
Posted by: Jim | July 14, 2006 at 01:17 PM
Maybe it's not a prob for everyone, but I've found that the venti cups, both hot and cold, are flimsier than they used to be, and the little overlap nodule on the side is larger, making lids waaay harder to put on than before.
As long as you don't order a venti, you can always ask for it in a larger cup.
In reference to the melting stickers, the drinks aren't hot enough to do that. I spilt an entire piture of freshly steamed milk all over myself last week, and it's not that hot.
Posted by: Becca | July 14, 2006 at 01:21 PM
Here is an idea, stick around in the lobby for a little while and drink some of it down till you have room. Where's the fire? No need to rush! In drive thru? Get out of your car and learn to socialize with people!
Posted by: James the Barista | July 14, 2006 at 01:36 PM
There's actually a pretty simple fix: Instead of asking for a sticker for the lid, ask for another lid instead. Take the second lid and push up the part that sinks down (where the mouth hole is) now put the second lid on top of the first but with the hole on the opposite side....it won't spill, and you can easily take it off for a swig and replace it :P
Grood luck!
Posted by: ZachWhoMakesDrinks | July 14, 2006 at 01:55 PM
Now that I think about it our lids aren't the best for traveling compared to some others. The day dot stickers and others that SBUX used to have were, cool but now the day dot stickers are disolvable. As long as you dont use the day dot ones they won't melt on you. Those newer baristas or ones who dont care might throw one on your lid. Zach has a pretty good idea about the double lid idea. Also just ask for some room in your drink no matter what it is. So you have about a 1/2-1" space at the top of your drink if youre driving. Either way there is a remedy, but I do agree that the lids could be much better. I'm definately going to bring that up next time I'm in at work.
Posted by: ASM | July 14, 2006 at 02:26 PM
I've never opened a lid while transporting a grande latte or chai, but I have had two or three explode in my hand. One must lift the cup out of the cupholder very carefully, in case the lid and cup are not well connected. The "explosions" actually left me with nearly all the chai still in the cup, but the ounce or so that got loose somehow got everywhere.
I no longer lose any of my drink during normal driving, but I don't use stickers. I use a stirring stick. That mild obstruction seems to be enough to keep things where they belong. And I drive as you'd expect the owner of a German car to drive.
I am very wary of those stickers. Who says they are FDA-approved for that use? And today, the ones I saw weren't numbered, they looked like commemorative stamps. Now there's a concept. Anyway, using a stirrer to stop up the whole means I can always use the stirrer to stir something.
Sometimes I think the solution would be delivery, because it would kill the "Starbucks effect" on morning traffic and allow certain German car companies to go without adequate cup holders for a few more years, not to mention cutting down on some pollution and oil consumption.
Posted by: Supposed Eric | July 14, 2006 at 02:31 PM
Yea next time your in a bux ask for a customer feedback form. Let head office know you want new spill proof lids. :)
Behind you guys on this one 100%
Posted by: coffeeguy :) | July 14, 2006 at 02:32 PM
For stop up the WHOLE read stop up the HOLE darn it. I did preview, honest.
Posted by: Supposed Eric | July 14, 2006 at 02:34 PM
For the girl who spilled milk on herself and said it wasn't hot:
You're wearing (At least) a layer of pants, a shirt (tucked in so double coverage) and a pretty hefty relatively water resistant apron. Of course when you spill it on yourself it won't be THAT hot. Add on the fact that maybe people out there are a bit more sensitive to heat and...you've got an issue.
The only time I've ever seen lids create problems are when a) the lid hole and the seam of the cup meet, b) when you're driving and it's too close to the top, and c) when you try to take your cup out of the cupholder (because it firmly puts pressure on the outside) and you actually mishape the top of the cup (causing the lid not to fit properly) and having it explode.
I don't have cupholders (haha, at the german car thing, yeah, the swedish cars are the same) and I never "squeeze" my drinks in that fashion and have never had it pop -- does that mean that everyone shouldn't? No. I'm just saying, maybe it's just...a cup of coffee.
Posted by: Lauren | July 14, 2006 at 03:12 PM
Lauren have u lived in Las Vegas..just curious if i know you =)
Posted by: ASM | July 14, 2006 at 03:18 PM
Lauren, I was actually wearing shorts, and I spilled the milk all over my legs, so they were bare, and felt the milk first hand. It is deffinately possible that I'm less sensitive to heat than some, but not by a lot... I'm a temperature whimp :p
Reading your "story" (for lack of a better word) of the 2nd instance of coffee explosion made me cringe as I envisioned the times it had happen to me.
What German car do you have that lacks cup holders? My entire family drives German Cars (Two MB's, an Audi, a BMW, a VW and a Smart) and only the latter lacks the cup holders.
Posted by: Becca | July 14, 2006 at 04:17 PM
The listed drinks above mocha and GBL have whip cream and therefore spilll. However vanilla lattes and EGL have foam instead and thats why they do not spill. Ask for extra foam on your drink and it will contain it for you. For brewed coffee, I agree, get a travel tumbler or get a tray to hold you drink in. Always works. My old car years ago did not have a cup holder so I used a tray instead. I have reached to save my latte but almost plowed into trees and on-coming traffic a few times, but my latte was happy.
Posted by: Boston Starbucks Rebel | July 14, 2006 at 04:25 PM
Okay... for all who are whining about the cup lids... I like the idea of buying one of the cups with the lids that can be reused. Also, were you aware that you get $.10 cup discount if you reuse it. Over the course of a 5 day work week @ 2 cups a day that saves you $1. Equals out to $52/year. Figure it up. Also its $52 you don't have to use in burn cream because you have spilt the coffee all over AND.... it is maybe even saving you more from savings from your Auto INsurance not going up. How so you may ask...On a completely non-related starbucks issue- how many accidents would not occur if people were not on their cell phones/eating or yes, even drinking their starbucks coffee. Think about it.
Posted by: Baristaboy | July 14, 2006 at 04:30 PM
You tell em Baristaboy LOL. That is true, don't drink and drive. Your problem completely. If you would like to purchase the tumbler with the retractable sip hole it would remedy your problem. If not then relax int he cafe and drink your drink. Relax.
Posted by: ASM | July 14, 2006 at 04:57 PM
I can understand the occasional mishap in the car. You grab the cup too hard while searching for it with your hand because you want to watch the road. It happens. What I never imagined is the amount of "adults" that can manage to spill a drink in the cafe. It seems incredible to me and happens at least twice a day. Of course when you go to clean it up the customer keeps saying "I'm Sorry" and "I'm so embarassed". I wish that just once, I could look at them and say, you should be embarassed, you aren't a child anymore. Instead I have to smile and say "no worries, happens all the time"
Posted by: JustABarista | July 14, 2006 at 05:16 PM
I used to be able to drive around, talk on my cell, and even sip a frappuccino. Its all about the elbows people!
Posted by: Boston Starbucks Rebel | July 14, 2006 at 05:19 PM
I don't think it is the lids - I think it is the new cups. Regardless, I agree that plastic or metal tumblers are the way to go. I have a metal one - it keeps the drinks hot for a long time. And, no spills. It's easy. Just wait for them to go on clearance and buy a couple - totally worth every penny.
Posted by: LeftyGrrrl | July 14, 2006 at 10:36 PM
I always take my lid off.
Posted by: Arman | July 15, 2006 at 11:04 AM
Randy,
I just ran into Stixtogo at my local stand. AMAZING IDEA! Its about time someone came up with the leaky lid solution.
Where do we find them - do you know? I used cruizen caps before, but now I am adhesive free and lovin' it!
Posted by: Thayer | July 15, 2006 at 02:26 PM
My coffee house uses stixtogo. My barista told me they are also available in smaller quantities on ebay by searching "coffee spills". I got cool one's with american flags on them.
Posted by: Micheal | July 15, 2006 at 02:36 PM
One thing I have noticed baristas doing is not paying attention to the direction of the lid. The most problems occur when one lines up the drink hole with the cup seam.
As for checking to see what was put in the cup. I have been getting annoyed when I am asked "room for cream" and say "no" and get 1-2" of room at the top of the cup. Even though I put cream in my coffee, I always say no because I figure I will get a half cup of coffee. Isn't there some standard at this otherwise standardized corporation? If I wanted 12 ounces of coffee, I would ask for a "tall" instead of a grande.
Posted by: Tony | July 15, 2006 at 08:10 PM
1-2"is way too much space if you don't want room. But the cups do accomadate 1/4". So A tall is 12 oz when filled to 1/4" below the rim. One thing that is annoying as hell is if you ask for no room, we give you no room, and then you dump a whole bunch into the garbage. Not because it's wasting coffee, we could care less, but because we have to cary those damn bags and they leak, and get very heavy when haf filled with coffee.
Posted by: | July 16, 2006 at 12:24 AM
Yeah, do they regularly dump liquids in their own trash I wonder?
Posted by: Deusx | July 16, 2006 at 05:12 AM
At Peet's they have a little sink on the condiment bar with a water tap. It's great...Customers dump their overfill into an actual drain, and you never have to interupt service to give someone a glass of water. Starbucks would never do something like that. They'd tell you that giving a cup of water to someone is an amazing chance to connect with a customer, but the reality is that attaching drains to 20,000 condiment bars would cost about a billion dollars.
Posted by: sbuxmanager | July 16, 2006 at 07:07 AM
i think both are realistic reasons on why not to do it.
what other cool lid options are out there?
is there really a spill proof lid from BK?
i'm with barista boy on reuseable tumblers, or mugs - i know it's not always an option.
Posted by: | July 16, 2006 at 09:47 AM
I've found after much experimentation, if you place the lid mouth opening on the seam of the cup you wont get that awful drippy lid syndrome on your hand when walking with your coffee. Why they always place the opening opposite the seam is beyond me, I guess I spend too much quality time with my starbucks cups...
Posted by: LibrarianNYC | July 16, 2006 at 10:40 AM
ohh this technique requires you to tilt the cup ever so slightyly away from you while walking... that way your coffee dosent drip out of the opening as well.
Posted by: LibrarianNYC | July 16, 2006 at 10:44 AM
This is obsurd we are even having this conversation. You pay $4 for a latte and the provider can't spend a couple cents on necessary packaging. Last time I checked - coffee stains. Next time you buy one demand a solution - there are several to choose from!
Posted by: | July 16, 2006 at 12:17 PM
LibrarianNYC, I have to disagree. I think that when the lid is like that, it's the worst. The seam starts to leak, and the lid pops off.
Posted by: | July 16, 2006 at 12:33 PM
Starbucks in Japan put their own green Siren-topped "stixtogo" in the lids of takeout cups. Even better, they're full-length stirrers. I couldn't resist taking one home with me the first time I saw it. Other coffeeshops in Japan use stickers as a matter of course (if their lids don't already close somehow). This may be because they also tend to put takeout drinks in *bags* for you to carry.
Then again, I've never had a problem with anything spilling even without these safeguards. Maybe you guys have a drinking problem (see: "Airplane!"). ;)
Posted by: Hirayuki | July 16, 2006 at 03:07 PM
Librarian, opening for coffee goes opposite the seam. The seam is a flex point and those lids just don't flex. I discovered this problem (and solution) at another place I have gotten coffee, although they use a thin foam cup.
And another thing, Starbuck's just doesn't want people buying coffee, they want you buying that glass of milk with a bit of coffee in it for $4. I hate that they are always changing their drip coffee and at times, it is a random change (one day in mid-week), but they use their "espresso blend" for the cup-of-milk drinks. I really can't believe people pay 4 dollars for a hot glass of milk.
Posted by: Tony | July 16, 2006 at 04:59 PM
they wouldn't use espresso for mild....
we do COD daily (hence the name). If you are grinding say, Sumatra for "whole Bolds" and you finish the bag, but you're only half way done, and you notice a bag of Sulawesi that was opened 4 days ago, you're going to start grinding that, rather than opening another bag of Sumatra. That's why the coffee changes at random times. We get a coffee of the week, and then they reccomend a mild or bold (whatever the other one isn't) and a decaf. Our store doesn't follow the two latter suggestions; just the actual cow, and then grind what we have open. But when I do it, I avoid Breakfast Blend like the plague, because it tastes like Swass.
Posted by: | July 16, 2006 at 05:37 PM
No its lightnote that tastes awful...we have customers going , yuk! I have never seen such revoltion to a coffee as lightnote.
Posted by: Eli | July 16, 2006 at 09:05 PM
There is no such word as revoltion.
Posted by: | July 16, 2006 at 09:18 PM
Randy, I have no idea if it's the same production company, but those "stix" are available on all condiment bars in Japan...good for us, huh?
and btw, whats soooooo wrong about using the double lid technique?
Posted by: NYCKevin | July 16, 2006 at 10:00 PM
I'm always careful about putting the opening opposite of the seam, because it does seem to spill more when the lid and seam line up. i had a regular who'd constantly do this when i handed him his drink, so i asked him once why he did that, and ever since i make sure i slide the lid around for people before handing them their coffee. :)
Posted by: BouncingBarista | July 16, 2006 at 11:56 PM
In my experience, it's Sidamo that some people dislike.
Also, we have flat lids and sip lids, as I assume everyone does. Sometimes people want both, and the sip lid fits atop the flat lid, you know. You can turn it upside-down, and it won't spill.
Posted by: cornfrost | July 17, 2006 at 05:39 AM
you assume incorrectly.
most starbucks don't have the duel lid. they have the dommy one.
just FYI
Posted by: | July 17, 2006 at 06:22 PM
I feel really sorry for somebody that can't like Sidamo. That's just, well, it just makes me sad. It's such a good coffee.
Posted by: JustABarista | July 17, 2006 at 06:46 PM
I agree. I sent an email complaint about their lids too. The totally suck. I NEVER had a beverage that did not leak.
Posted by: Trudy | July 18, 2006 at 04:33 AM
Okay.. once again for all you who are continuously complaining about the lids at Starbucks and "insisting" that the company spend more money on the lids when you purchase your $4 latte... scroll up. BUY A REUSABLE MUG. Lets review... #1) you save $.10 each time you use it. 2 cups of coffee a day during a 5 day work week... you've SAVED $52. #2)Contribute to the environment... Yes, I know, it is a novel approach but one less cup that is mashed up and thrown out your drivers window because you spilt it on yourself because you were too dang lazy to buy a reusable... = trash on roads, etc. etc. etc.#3) THE LIDS have spill guards. REALLY it is TRULY amazing the amount of people who want things handed to them. (some of them even want it with closing latches on the lid & a little sleeve to protect your delecate hands from the "HOT" coffee AND the lid not matched up with the seem on the side.) If you would stop for ONE second and put as much energy in thinking this through as you have in complaining and griping and sending emails demanding change... this blog would not be nearly as long as it currently is... Unless there are more idiots out there than I am given to believe. :) Love you all!
Posted by: Baristaboy | July 18, 2006 at 05:00 AM
Wait a minute BaristaBoy... Wait one cotton-pickin second! :-)
Why shouldn't a customer paying 4 dollars for a latte (or 2 bucks for ONE cup of coffe get it their way?). To suggest that people SHOULD just buy a re-fillable mug to make up for a shoddy lid is ridiculous. The lid has a purpose; to tell the customer to go buy a cup (nice marketing move?) to have a working lid is out of line. Further, I don't want to deal with washing a cup out and neither do a lot of other people and as customers, that is our prerogative and what we pay for (I mean really, a $4 cup of milk with a shot of coffee in it?
Posted by: Tony | July 18, 2006 at 05:37 AM
Tony is right on! Last time I checked I was on the payment side of the counter - that's known as "the customer". The last thing I want to do is drag my coffee stained mug around work all day just because a coffee provider didn't want to fork out 2 cents from my $4 I just gave 'em to stop it from leaking. You are right baristaboy, this blog wouldn't be nearly this long if the problem was addressed!
A quick search of the internet comes up with caps, stixtogo, and at least 3 different lid solutions to choose from. Feel free to pick one. Charge me $4.02 if you must!
Posted by: | July 18, 2006 at 07:49 AM
This whole the customer is always right complaint is bullshit. People pay hundreds and/or thousands of dollars for plane tickets only to sit like a sardine in a can, be treated poorly by overpaid waitresses while watching awful movies and eating sub-edible "food" which now they have to pay EXTRA for. Is this right? Of course not. But it's life. So is the lid. It's one of life's small inconveniences. It sucks and it should be better. Maybe one day it will be. In the meantime, use the more than adequate substitutes (flat lid, both lids, reusable cup, etc) and deal with it. Life is hard. Get a f**king helmet.
Posted by: sbuxmanager | July 18, 2006 at 04:55 PM
Hear I thought the unnamed source had some good points. As a Starbucks manager, I also thought you had good points relative to the airline experience. The difference is the airlines are notorious for being bad business people. At least they have union contracts and fuel prices to blame the bad experience on. What does Starbucks do with the other $2.00 after they spent 10 cents on packaging, 50 cents on coffee syrup and staff and leasehold costs for the property. Let's see they can buy and sell the Sonics or maybe return huge returns to the stockholders.
I love the new modo: Starbucks coffee spills - the second worst customer experience in America. Get yours now! Put your "F" word away, we are simply trying to provide some reality here. The customer is not always right, but in the end they will matter.
How can Burger King, 7-11, Dunkin Donuts and McDonald's address the issue and you ignore it?
Posted by: Consumer advocate | July 18, 2006 at 06:02 PM
Because Burger King, 7-11, Dunkin, and McDonalds are not Coffee Companies. You are not going to get the same service at those places as you should get at SBUX. There are lots of reasons, that you, a so-called "consumer advocate" have not taken into consideration.
And what is this "coffee syrup" you speak of? Last time I checked, espresso is a very delicate process and is very costly. That is why you pay so much for a latte. If more people actually bought drip coffee, you might have a point about costs. But these days, it's espresso! Some customers even get three shots of espresso in their tall drip coffee in the morning. Why? I don't know.
To whomever complained about having to wash their mug: you're lazy! Can't even settle for rinsing?
So maybe if people were a bit more educated, or thought a little bit more about the world around them enough to be self-educated, these problems probably wouldn't present themselves. But people are lazy. It's the American way.
Posted by: John Molina | July 18, 2006 at 06:48 PM
1. (Side note) Howard owns the Sonics,
Starbucks does not. Two different business endeavors.
2. The quality of product one receives at Starbucks is far better than one receives at any of the businesses you list. So is the level of service (in most cases).
At the same time, I've been a manager at the bux for 2 years. The only time a customer has complained about a lid is when we ran out of sip lids and had to give out flat lids for a couple of hours until our order came in. I guess people take their lids quite seriously because one guy said that without the sip lid, he might as well go to a deli and get coffee. (I had a few choice words for him, but felt it better to hold my tongue).
So, here's what I propose: I encourage all people who are so dienchanted by the awful lid that they've been drinking out of for so many years to get your coffee from Burger King or McDonalds. Obviously, if you're coming in for the lid, you won't mind drinking battery acid. And you can save all of us partners a big headache.
If, however, you like great coffee, great service, laid back environment, sometimes pretty good music, comfy chairs, and a crappy lid, come to Starbucks. We'll be happy to have you.
Posted by: sbuxmanager | July 18, 2006 at 06:52 PM
I have had cups explode or leak on me on multiple occasions while in the car. I always double check the placement of my lid before I leave the store or the drive-up but since I often commute in areas that have either very bumpy roads and/or speed tables the hole always seems to leak. The stix look like a great idea that would solve my problem. During the winter months I often ask for a small straw and fold it in half and place the crease into the hole of the lids to try to stop leaks.
Posted by: morningjolt | July 18, 2006 at 07:24 PM
Morningjolt - I agree, I too have folded straws in half, but they aren't fail safe. The stix look like a good solution. Seems that everyone has tried to fix it with the lid, but stixtogo look much more effective. I agree with all the comments about Starbucks and other coffee houses offering a much higher quality product inside the cup, however the lid is still THE issue here, even to the $1.00 consumer.
Everyone wants to diss Starbucks, probably because they are the 110 lb gorilla and don't offer a solution. But this is an industry issue. Not just for the $4 cup of joe, but for everyone.
Posted by: joe'sespresso | July 18, 2006 at 08:58 PM
John, I believe by "coffee syrup" he means the syrup added to the coffee, or at lest I hope he does, or else he has some major misconceptions.
To the lazy one who won't clean their cup.. bring it to us dirty and ask us to give it a rinse, we gladly will.
We don't have these flat lids of which you speak. Do they actually have a sip hole? or nothing at all?
Posted by: Becca | July 19, 2006 at 12:32 AM
all Starbucks bashing aside...
our lids do suck, and they seem to be getting worse. They don't fit snugly on the cups, they crack easily, they drip if turned the wrong way.
I like the lids I used to get at 7-11. They worked kind of like the lids on the sbux logo to go mugs with the little lever that slides a cover over the sip hole. It also seems that any lids that come with gadgets like that also are made with a heavier plastic which both resists cracking and splitting and grips the cup more securely.
But gadgets are nifty, not necessary. If Starbucks decides the traditional lid design is good enough it's not going to be the end of the company. But gadgets or no, the lids have GOT to stop being so flimsy and worthless.
Posted by: AZBarista | July 19, 2006 at 01:59 AM
Burger King, 7-11, Dunkin, and McDonalds may not be coffee companies, so why did they figure out the whole coffee-lid thing?
I only drink to-go espresso drinks iced and part of the reason why is that the hot lids were useless in the car. If I want to drink hot espresso drinks, I now go to places that have real cups.
So, other than broadcasting to the world that the coffee cost $3.50, what is the advantage of the SBUX-style lid? Does it bring out the aromas like a wineglass does for wine? Does it expose the oils to air, enhancing the flavor? Does it get rid of impurities by spilling them onto car upholstery? C'mon, give me something, here....
Posted by: this space for rent | July 19, 2006 at 10:08 PM
The reason that they do not offer better lids is because people ALREADY wont shut the fuck up about how much drinks cost. If they had better lids, then prices would go up and then you'd bitch even more....about a product that no one is forcing you to buy btw. The reason they dont have better lids is because..they dont have better lids. Deal with it...or go to mcdonalds and drink toxic waste.
Posted by: Jason | July 21, 2006 at 04:28 PM
Jason - You are a piece of work. People are frustrated about leaking lids. Sorry you took the blog to a new low. And - Space for Rent - ought to look for available space in amongst his brain cells. The issue was around leaky lids, not quality of coffee. Maybe its a news flash to he/she that 7-11, Dunkin Donuts and possibly even McDonalds sell more lids than Starbucks. That's how "they figure into the whole coffee lid thing". Who cares about the $4 coffee. This discussion was around the 2 cent packaging and the common everyday issue of coffee spills.
Posted by: | July 21, 2006 at 06:04 PM
I'm sorry, you're right....
Back on topic...i've been a customer forever and never spilled coffee..
Maybe its not the lid, maybe you're just retarded..
Posted by: Jason | July 21, 2006 at 06:26 PM
wow that was blunt.
Seriously though any customers write into head office about this one yet?
Posted by: coffeeguy :) | July 21, 2006 at 10:29 PM
Hey anonymous, If you'd actually read my post, you'll see that I actually agree with you. I said that the other companies had better lids, but not as good coffee. When you go blasting people who agree with you, that's a new low.
Posted by: this space for rent | July 22, 2006 at 01:24 PM
This space for rent - My bad....I misread your comment. I apologize.....
Posted by: | July 22, 2006 at 04:26 PM
Starbucks needs to look at their other markets. At Starbucks Japan they use these specially designed plugs for the lids. The top of the plug is actually a mold of the Siren. In addition to being a plug, it can act as a stirrer too.
Posted by: coffeeholic | July 22, 2006 at 05:44 PM
Those are kind of like Stixtogo. We started using the stix in our stand cause all of our business is takeaway.
Posted by: WHATABARISTA | July 23, 2006 at 08:22 AM
OK, update. I'm on vacation and I drove to a Sbux, got a grande coffee with a normal sip lid, and took it to go. Admittedly, I put in some milk and sugar and sipped a couple of times off the top. I got into my car and when I put the cup in the cupholder, a few drops spilled, one or two on my hand, causing me slight discomfort. The rest of the trips (including stopping short and turning fast and stuff) resulted in no more spills. My conclusion: Check the lid and the cup before you go and you'll be fine.
Posted by: sbuxmanager | July 28, 2006 at 09:22 AM
I honestly agree that customers who frequently take coffee to go should invest in a tumbler for the car. In the long run you do save money, there is less spillage, AND its better for the environment!!
Posted by: | July 29, 2006 at 11:18 AM
I dont think the lids are the problems because I've had a lot of different coffees whether its mcdonals, tim's or starbucks, and frankly any lid that has any sort of opening for you to drink out of will spill coffee when you hit a bump.
Posted by: | July 29, 2006 at 11:21 AM
All this talk is fun and great but most are only talking to be heard. I want to know if there is someone listening who has the power and possition to take action and change things. If I had the cure would someone have the funding and program. I have the cure! I don't think Mr. Star is listening, but we will see.
Posted by: Dan Cope | July 30, 2006 at 01:07 AM
dan cope, you don't reach the bux exec by posting on here. Write to them! (look at their website for the addy)
Posted by: | July 30, 2006 at 05:37 AM
you lot sound like spoilt children... if it bothers you so much buy a reuseable sturdy mug
Posted by: | July 31, 2006 at 04:05 AM
spend $20 on a tumbler....lest say you get 4 drinks a week, your saving enough to buy a new every year if you wanted to!!
Posted by: 416barista | August 02, 2006 at 12:47 AM
is the 35th anniversary tumbler still available?
Posted by: christine | November 10, 2006 at 07:15 PM
The decaf tastes like water run through a newspaper. When is Starbuck's going to change the supplier?
Posted by: decaf prone | November 29, 2006 at 06:40 AM
I get my usual white chocolate Mocha about times a week.. 2 out of 3 times, the lid cracks on me about 1/2 way through my drink... and yes, just dripd all over my nice work attire.. SUCKS.. For a $4 coffee, I think Starbucks should improve their lids.. no, I don't take the lid off for any reason.. I don't care for a tumbler.. just an adequate lid.
Posted by: Alma~ | March 23, 2007 at 08:48 AM
I find the lids are okay. For me, they leak very rarely, and they are very simple looking, unlike the lids wherever I go.
Just my USD $0.02
Posted by: stcrtemple | March 23, 2007 at 12:49 PM
I further read it excited post i love it....
Posted by: Mosaic | April 16, 2007 at 11:37 PM
Ref. back to the post about the Japanese "stixtogo" the actual name is called "Muddler" or in Japanese Speak "Ma-Doo-Ra". When I first heard the word I was confused and couldn't figure it out; "Madorah" who or what in the world is Madorah? But I then remembered the wonderful bartenders tool called a muddler, used to....you've guessed it...to muddle drinks.
However, if your in Japan, no one knows who "muddler" is, make sure to use Katakana pronunciation and say "Ma-Doo-Ra" (That's long O).
Enjoy....
STARBUCKS - Forget whatever "environment" issue there is, if Japan (one of the most environmentally conscious countries I've ever seen) can afford to us it, so can us Americans. - (before you rant, read up on Japan's Trash rules and see how that compares...Yeah, we lazy Americans will never live up to them...Not even when living in Japan.)
Posted by: Juan | May 09, 2007 at 04:11 PM
TheHotTopper.com is about to officially launch their new product to address the problem.
Posted by: Jim | August 22, 2007 at 02:59 PM
also, if there is any liquid on the rim of the cup, or inside the lip of the lid where the lid meets the cup, it will leak... If it is completely dry, it won't...
Next time your at the condiment bar adding your cream/sugar, just wipe the outside rim of the cup and inside lid with a napkin, and problem solved..
As for coming out of the sip hole... thats a different problem in itself..
Posted by: Brandon | August 22, 2007 at 03:36 PM
One good solution to the Starbucks siphole spill problem is this siphole plug from Little Green Plug. (www.littlegreenplug.com). Check it out. It works.
Posted by: Steve | August 26, 2007 at 10:32 PM