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October 03, 2006

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Sheik

Define "ear gauges"...

Do you mean those bad-@$$ rocker type guys with "donut holes" in their lobes that are stretched?

Or the type of unnecessarily large fake gold hoop earrings that ghetto women wear?

DT

couldn't he just throw a bandaid over it and keep working? that's what people i've known have done. no big deal.

I'm a manager, haven't heard anything about that.

beth

this is not true. there is no dress code policy on ear gauges. the only rule regarding piercings are that a partner can only have two earings per ear.

AZBarista

Actually Beth, the partner guide does say that earrings must be "small or moderately sized."

It doesn't give a size guideline, so I guess it's possible that's either changed or an individual manager changed his interpretation of it.

Regardless, that shouldn't be grounds for termination. Assuming the partner was hired with the same size guage, you shouldn't be able to turn around and fire him for it now. I would reccommend that partner call HR.

cybele

What happened to ex post facto rules? You can't get hired with the understanding that your appearance is acceptable and then find out that they don't find it acceptable later on.

Well, it's not like companies don't yank the rugs out from under us all the time. Sigh.

CuteBarista!

um, a nickel is pretty fucking large...i'm not sure that's that unreasonable.

i had mine up to 4 (which is smaller than a pencil eraser) and a friend of mine who worked at the bucks as well had 000. neither of us had any problem.

penguinpoopoo

who's getting fired? and when and where can i find this new rule. If they have in the dress code no piercings and they dont let you dye your hair un-natural colors what do u expect? huge holes in your ears to be ok.... and im someone who has piercings, i just understand what image they portray and respect it when i get paid.

STARBUCKS GOSSIP webmaster

There's no positive confirmation that *anyone* has been fired for having too-large gauges. I toss this letter out there to see what others have heard about the supposed smaller-than-a-nickel rule.

Barista sUz

I haven't heard much about this.
Then again, we don't really have partners that stretch their ears.
Dress code at my store is always broken. Unless our District&Regional are visiting. Like today. Hahah.

Kirstin

Starbucks price increase taking effect today= nickel
Starbucks' new stance on ear gauges: Coincidence? :p

Kirstin

err, that was supposed to say:
Starbucks new stance on ear gauges = nickel

sbuxboy

That's just retarded. There is no dress code change or anything having to do with ear gauges. In Portland, tons of partners have them and absolutely nothing has or will be done. Stop bringing up bogus stories and trying to get people to comment on them!

VegasASM

Im an ASM in Las Vegas and nothing has been said or emailed to the stores here about this "new" dress code so I doubt it is correct. Seems like another thread aimed at comments.

Lindsay

It's not new..the company is just cracking down on the managers who ignored company policies and hired these people anyways...go into the city and there are exposed tattoos and numerous piercings in every possible place but go up to New England or to the Midwest you don't see anything like it. I work in a market that follows policies and we are disgusted to go to NY city, California, and other areas and see the baristas who don't care enough to look professional and cover their tattoos and take out the nose ring but then I realized it's their managment because if i could wear a tongue ring and cover my arms in art I would but my manager won't hire anyone who can't cover up the art or take out piercings.

RFS

When I did my shift training I was told all earrings, including plugs, had to be smaller than a quarter. I don't know where that came from though--if it was an actual rule or if the instructor was just spouting gossip.

nycbearista

recently overheard my SM speaking with a new hire about her gold hoops - she said 'no larger than a quarter'.

Chris Meisenzahl

Why do so many baristas seem to be riddled with body piercings?

rista

The official Starbucks policy is 2 earings or less in each ear, no visible body piercings, and no visible tattoos. They must be covered and all facial piercings must be taken out, no exceptions. Anyway, the official policy says that they must be small or moderately sized. Obviously, this is left up to the discretion of the store manager to report to the shifts and baristas. If a giant disgusting floppy earlobe is offending a customer or partner, it must be removed or covered. Let's face it, we're serving rich snobby old people or young, I'm-better-than-you 'business-people'. Thus the fact that we wear khakis and polos; we're supposed to give the appearance of professionalism to impress them. Let's not screw that up and just leave our punk rocker look in junior high. It's a job, deal with it. If you don't like it, quit and work at McDonalds where they allow you to dress like an uneducated moron.

haleechic

in all fairness, i work for sbux and i must say that i have heard no such comment on ear gauges where i work....again my location is east texas....so bible belt and all.....however a partner or two do have facial piercings and while it is their choice to put whatever they want on their bodies, i find it unpleasent for the consumer to watch a barista make a drink with a loop hang out of your face.....i have tatoos, but keep them under wraps.....free choice is a right....in an absolute democracy meaning....once you applied to sbux, you agreed to allow them to have a small say so in your apperance, since you are their first apperance as a company to the customer.....:))

barista chica

starbucks' policy on this is pretty conservative considering it IS a coffee shop. if you go to any small, local coffeehouse, you're probably going to see tattoos & piercings in places you couldn't even imagine, and that's just what's exposed. i have a tiny little nose stud that i take out if my managers ask me to, but otherwise it stays in. i've never had any complaints from any customers or anything. i understand that the policy is supposed to prevent crazy outlandish piercings, but c'mon, we live in 2006, piercings don't really offend anyone anymore.

Donnie Machiatto

It is not just to prevent outlandish piercings, one must also take into account the possibility of piercings falling into drinks, which does happen, and is not a good thing when it does.

Tony

Cybele, who owns that job, the employee or Starbuck's? Answer: Starbuck's; their job, their choice, their policy (wherever this is a policy). There are very few exceptions to this rule (e.g., race)

cybele

Tony - I'm not saying that they can't and don't. I work for a company where I accepted a position with a certain 401(k) plan ... they changed it and now I'm basically being compensated less this year than the previous year even with my raise. I'm not indentured, I can leave at any time if the compensation doesn't suit me. But I'd be peeved if they fired me because my hair was the wrong length when it was acceptable when I was hired.

It sucks, but it's legal.

"It is not just to prevent outlandish piercings, one must also take into account the possibility of piercings falling into drinks, which does happen, and is not a good thing when it does."

I recently purchased an grande iced latte at a Starbucks in Dallas and found a small NUT AND BOLT at the bottom of my drink. How the barista wouldn't notice something of that size in the ice bin is beyond me. In any event, I think the odds of an incident like that occuring are about the same as a barista's large gauge tunnel or plug falling into a drink and no one catching it before the customer does. Open your eyes.

chica: i think it's unfair to all the random hardcore peircings that you think yours is fine, and there's isn't.

the reason it says NO facial peircings is that if you allow one, you have to allow all.

i see nothing wrong with a small nose stud. just something wrong with you thinking that yours is okay when others aren't.

Um...If something that large fell out of someone's ear, I think they'd notice...Plus tunnels and plugs tend not to really fall out unless you pull them out...

Tony

Cybele, if they decide to portray a different image, again, their choice; you are there at their will. The job is theirs not yours; it might "suck" but that is the way things are, as you said.

They have every right to change what they want; they should give you a chance to conform, I would agree to that. "We only want short haired people, will you cut your hair?" No. Ok cya.

...although one time a customer returned a drink to me, one that i made - because the screw from the portifilter had fallen in!

i didn't notice it AT ALL! and it was a pretty big screw! i have no idea how it got there, and that screw should never have come out, but there it was - in their drink.

i felt pretty bad, but i did say: 'well everyone needs more iron in their diet' and relieved some of the tension...

it happens, but i don't think the 'fallout' peircings have anything to do with the dresscode, since if it was a problem it would be a healthcode rule- like nail polish....just serving a group of people who prefer their baristas not to look like freaks.

Chi-towns best/angriest barista

i have piercings, quite a few of them (less now that i work for starbucks) and i have tattoos. i can look pretty bad-ass sometimes without trying too hard, but i am in no way an uneducated moron. in fact, i am quite well educated and in the process of becomming further so. i don't appreciate judgemental comments like that.

i rather enjoy wearing fun, obvious earings every day. my co-workers noticed and they like it too. in fact, it often serves as a tool for connecting with customers, we talk about each other's jewelery, and older women especially seem to like it when their style is complemented. i also connected with a japanese man who spoke little english, but noticed the kanji tattoo on the indise of my forearm. i never had anyone be offended by it, in fact they were more intrigued when i'd explain the meaning. i got tired of covering it with a band-aid and telling customers "no, i didn't burn myself." and wearing long sleeves in the 95 degree summer heat? not happening.

i understand the point about trying to look clean and professional, and i do think some things should be covered (tattoos of profanity, nudity or violence for example) but most of what i've seen on our partners is pretty non-offensive, and a few pieces of metal in someone else's face doens't harm you. let it slide.

an american

I say Bravo to Starbucks for discouraging the ridiculous practice of creating gaping holes in one's earlobes. Have these folks thought about how their ears are going to look when they are 65?

Carrie

I am more offended by the baristas who sneeze, wipe their face with their hand and keep making the drinks!!! GO WASH YOUR HANDS FOLKS! Better yet, stay home when you are sick and drippy!

chitown's angriest:
i think i'm more offended that you think that some of the rules are more or less up to you, than others.

when you accepted the job, you knew that your tattoos would have to be covered, and you entered into an agreement with starbucks that said in order to recieve your pay, you'd conform to some simple rules. and you flant those rules by having the tattoos showing.

why are some rules flexible and others not? or are you okay taking that returned espresso machine home?

Chi-towns best/angriest barista

yeah, you're right, i break rules. does it hurt you to see some little black lines on my arm? not at all. does it hurt anybody? not at all. so who cares?
i do a whole lot of things for them that weren't part of the agreement for me to get paid. turnabout is fair play, is it not?
i'd call it discrimination, but you'd be offended by that too, i suppose.
and returned espresso machines? i can honestly say we've never had that happen. but if it did, i wouldn't take it. i hadn't even thought it was a possibility until you mentioned it.
tattoos are not illegal. stealing is.

~NiTOXina~

Somethings i agree with, some other things i don't~ tattoo in personal life is fine. but if it gets in the way of work in any way, it shouldn't be allowed. nor do we know if tattooes will offend any customers or not, hence, being safe than sorry. i do agree that i can be considered discrimination, but it also is part of the Starbucks public impression. even though the main target is not to kids, there will be kids at Starbucks with their parents. i know some people that are both intimidated & offended by people that have tattooes~ & the fact about returning espresso machines, it is up to their conscience & moral to hunt them back later in their life... there is lil we can do about it~

Joe Black

The fact of the matter is that the CONSUMER is generally turned off by ANY kind of facial or tribal piercings as well as tatoos. Believe it or not until very recently tatoos were associated with people who had been in prison.

Personally when I see someone who looks like they fell face-first into a toolbox all I think is 'unsanitary', especially if they're in the food service industry.

Nick B

i would have to say that there are alot of bogus comments on this forum...if any of you have read the training booklet you would no there is only a few rules for piercing and tattoos...no facial and only 2 per ear...no guage rules...tattoos are allowed as long as there covered...and dont bitch about having to do it, its not hard, i remove 6 piercings every day and i alway have to wear a long sleeve shirt...its something you just have to deal with, your lucky to work for such a great company with such incredible benifits...nuf said
nickb

discrimination is a legal term based on certain traits.

and unfortunately tattoos aren't covered. so you can't pull that card.

people who are discriminated against can't get a taxi because of their skin colour, can't get an apartment because of who they sleep with.

poor you: you have to wear a bandaid.

get over yourself, and recognize that when you accepted the job, you accepted the dress code.

i don't care that your tat isn't hurting anyone. that's not the point.

cover it up, because some fool with a tat that DOES offend someone is gonna see you with yours and think that theirs is okay; and then where will we be?

having to defend a rule that was already in place, but that you decided you were better than.

newbaaarista

what paper work do you need to fill out when ur a new hire? i-9, backgroud, check or what? get back to me asap!

Darleen

what paper work do you need to fill out when ur a new hire? i-9, backgroud, check or what? get back to me asap

You fill out an I9, W-2 forms, availability form, cup fund form, direct deposit form, apron policy form, a tax credit form that I can't remember the name of, the name game form, I'm sure I've missed one or two but thats the jest of it.

Ashley

I'm looking at getting an eyebrow piercing and I'm already a sbux partner. Do you know if it's ok to just cover the piercing with a bandaid, or does it actually have to be OUT? I really want one, but there's no point getting it if I'm gonna have to take it out the first day I go to work after getting it done. Anybody know? Get back to me.

Gavin

I really do think starbucks should re-think some of their dresscode. I can understand not wanting facial peircings as it can be unsanitary. However, the policy on tattoos and hair color kinda goes against the "embrace diversity" idea. I feel as long as tattoos are not vulgar, racist, or anything of the sort, then they should be allowed. I read an earlier comment about customers may feel uncomfortable around tattooed individuals. However, some customers are also uncomfortable with baristas of different ethnicities and sexual preferences. The fact is some folks are not comfortable with diversity, but starbucks says it is, so it should act as such.

LIZ

I have a question, is there anywhere in the dress code that says you can't have pink hair? I've seen my fellow barista's with purple hair and pink hair. I've also seen a shift supervisor with blue hair having a meeting with a DM. If I am to not be able to dye my hair pink, shouldn't everyone else not be allowed to also? Why am I the only one being accused of certain things constantly? (by one particular asst manager)I was told to go home instantly when I came to work one day with one of our starbucks promotional xm shirt, or go to target and buy one that second. I didn't know we couldn't wear those XM promotional shirts anymore because one of the barista wore it the day before. my assistant manager said that she got to wear it because her washer was broken and she only had dirty clothes. Why is this any different? I don't even have a washer or a dryer. Why is that she cuts the other barista's more slack and constantly picks on me?It seems a bit unfair.

LIZ

I have a question, is there anywhere in the dress code that says you can't have pink hair? I've seen my fellow barista's with purple hair and pink hair. I've also seen a shift supervisor with blue hair having a meeting with a DM. If I am to not be able to dye my hair pink, shouldn't everyone else not be allowed to also? Why am I the only one being accused of certain things constantly? (by one particular asst manager)I was told to go home instantly when I came to work one day with one of our starbucks promotional xm shirt, or go to target and buy one that second. I didn't know we couldn't wear those XM promotional shirts anymore because one of the barista wore it the day before. my assistant manager said that she got to wear it because her washer was broken and she only had dirty clothes. Why is this any different? I don't even have a washer or a dryer. Why is that she cuts the other barista's more slack and constantly picks on me?It seems a bit unfair.

Norah

I work in Indiana.From what I've seen, some of the west side cultures of California are spreading everywhere.Body modification,tattooing and so forth.It will be a matter of time before your children will be sporting tattoos and piercings as well.I have ear gauges (9/16)and i have never heard of the "less than a nickel" rule.Only the fact that you should come into work looking presentable.I know i don't have a problem with a person that expresses themselves,but if a person has tattoos all over their face(for example),then that's crossing a line in any business.not everyone is gonna love you for your self-expression,but if it is that big of a problem,cover up or don't work.I can see a few tattoos in my future,but I'm not going to be a bum.The hair,I love colorful hair,if they say no,wear a hat.If they say no to a hat,dye your hair natural,and give yourself a while to be natural,and then find another job in the meanwhile.

A7X for life

i think this is soooo un reasonalble people with gauges, like myself, should not be discriminated against. we like our style, so leave us the hell alone. if you dont like gauges dont look at us then

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Sarah

I work at starbucks and I can tell you that plugs are considered an earring and the dress code says that you are allowed two earrings per ear so its okay for them. We have 4 people that wear plugs at my store and no one complains about them.

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