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May 06, 2007

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Melanie

This is news? Yeesh.

Scorpio370

I think she needs to read the part of the cup that says the quotes are not the opinions of Starbucks or it's partners. Or something to that affect.

I guess some people can't see that it says it's an opinion of the person quoted and that it's not the opinion of the company or it's partners...

And yes, I agree, This is news?!

Deusx

Because to be faithful to God you shouldn't even repeat something that questions his existence. As an omnipotent being, he is very fragile and saying "I don't believe in God, I don't, I don't" will kill him.

Such is the state of the evangelical right in the U.S, Jesus wouldn't be able to recognize these people as his "followers" today if they were landing strip lights as they have stumbled so far from the original message.

HopkinsBella

ROTFLMAO, so true, DeusX, so true. I could go so off-topic on Christianity in the U.S., but that's another forum.

But seriously. Not patronizing a business because of what's printed on your PAPER CUP? I guess it's sticking to one's principles.....or something.....

M.

The perils of organized religion rear their ugly head once again. Where are the thinking people?

Herman M.

Finally! A customer for whom the never selling "create your own" tumblers were expressly made. She can put whatever quote she sees fit in there and never have to see that offensive drivel again.

BroylingWater

There's stupid, there's ignorant, and there's the Religious Right..If you are weak willed enough to stop visiting a coffee cafe, merely because of a quote that is found on the cup, then you need some serious help. I hate to say it, but we can replace her as a customer(as sad as it may be to lose a customer), there's no point in coddling people like her..We can't be super PC, because then you end up offending everyone..We just have to put the disclaimer on the cup, and if someone is too stupid to just cover up the offensive quote with their sleeve, then they can shove it.

rightattitude

I am VERY Right-wing -- right of Michael Savage (search on MediaMatters for America for his "quotes")

I read the cup the other day at the Bux. I was like " Whatever" I don't believe it so should I be mad at the whole company? I would rather direct my wrath at actual people like Sheryl Crow or Rosie rathern than SBIX -- a company that just wants to make money.

Chris

Deusx: Hilarious.

Everyone knows it's the giant turtle you need to be talking to.

lynn

Hahaha! This is hilarious! I LIVE IN DAYTON AND SOLD THE NEWSPAPER WITH THIS STORY IN IT THIS MORNING AT MY STORE 5 MINS FROM THE SPRINGBORO LOCATION!!

deeni

I can't imagine not going back to starbucks because of a quote (yes, I'm an addict. and happy about it)
But I did call to complain when I was given a quote that said something about death being graduation from life. Maybe that's comforting to some people but it was the most depressing thing I didn't need to read that day.

Kat

Eh, good ridance. Means more coffee for me! :P

ndzbarista

I am a barista at Starbucks and I haven't personally read the quote, but I obviously have now. I am also offended by this quote.

I am a Christian, and I'm not going to back down and say that because Starbucks is diverse, it's OK. It's not. How could Starbucks believe that printing a quote on a cup that single-handedly calls a majority of the United States population idiots is OK?

These stupid quotes (most of which don't even make sense) were designed to be small conversation starters. Why don't I see quotes about Mohammad being a liar? Too controversial?

Baristas, listen up. This woman received a cup that said that her God is probably made up and she is stupid and weak to try to reach out to a higher being. I don't care if you don't believe. If you have any brains (and I know most of you do), you'll realize that for Starbucks to allow this to be printed, they probably let monkeys in suits rolling dice make the decision.

This woman shouldn't go back. The reason we get repeat customers is because of the product, the partners, and the environment. She can go somewhere else and get a better drink. We know that. She can also go somewhere else and just get a cup with no small religious attack or questioning on it. That's not what anybody wants.

If you can't see that, you need to get off your computer and go back to school. Or church. Try church.

Frankie

NDZBARISTA. I Thank You. We need more like you at Starbucks.

freespeech

NDZ, it didn't call Christianity specifically into question. It just said "God." This could apply to any monotheistic system of belief (like Islam), not just your own. Nor did it call anybody an "idiot". Calm down, your persecution complex is showing.

It must be hard for people like this customer to see opinions different from her own. Good thing there's still the church for her to retreat to, and hear the echoing chorus repeat the validation she so desperately needs.

Nick

I actually really like this quote, although I don't read them that often. It has sparked interesting conversation hasn't it? This is where I don't mesh well with organized religion.....the idea that we can't question all of it. Leadership without open dialogue....we've seen this so many times in history and how sad its examples were.

0000

FYI when it says "God" with a big G it is in reference to the Christian God 9 out of 10 times, I am a christian and a barista, and I read the cup, while i don't agree with the cup sayings, I also noted that Starbucks had printed cups with saying from the Purpose Driven Life book when it was popular, so its really not the company forming this idea of a God, but more or less what you take from it. Also, your not going to get people to church, but saying how stupid someone is. A church in the area comes in on sundays and buys alteast 15 cup traveler (one for each classroom), and they have had a large response, because of our name being noticed, small steps in anything can equal a larger return in life.

Barista to the Stars

If you are secure in your beliefs, you would already know the answer to the questions on the cup. And your morning cup of coffee would not make you so threatened. It's words on a cup.


Barista to the Stars

NewShift

Nick-

It sounds like you've had some bad experiences with Christian folks. I'm a barista, a Christian, a summa cum laude college grad, and a student of many eastern philosophies. If you think that Christianity is "Leadership without open dialogue," then you're unfortunately ill-informed. Do you have any idea how many different denominations of Protestantism there are, for instance?

And don't anybody deride my religious orientation by saying I'm not "a thinker." Please. Really.

And Barista to the Stars is right.

Cheers.

Me

Yeah, I find that pretty offensive too. The idiot that allowed that to be printed on the cups should be fired.

Dima K

There is always going to be something that is going to offend someone. Just get over it. Get a life.

coffeeguy

Frankly I say we worry about the afterlife only after we can stop taking lives by blowing each other to bits.

Just my thoughts.

BURRISTA

I always try to read the quotes on cups whenever possible. I definitely don't agree with some of them, but hey, that's okay- everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Why is it okay for people to be openly atheist, but suddenly not okay to have a statement like that printed on a disposable cup? Doesn't make sense to me. If she didn't want to have to look at it... the cup would wind up in the garbage anyway, and a sleeve helps to cover most of the quotes.

The way I see it (no pun intended), the quotes are a great way of stimulating our minds about various issues, and to help us to examine the world around us.

Ed

We're not supposed to tell you your gods are made up, we're not supposed to tell you that your ideas about the age of the solar system or the evolution of mankind are completely screwed up, and we're not supposed to tell you that you're perpetuating ignorance and superstition by forcing this nonsense on your kids. How much "faith" can you possibly have if you need to be sheltered in this way?

I'm much more offended by the one I get about how Einstein's theories could only be expressed in terms of poetry. Thou shalt have no other gods before E = mc^2.

But I did call to complain when I was given a quote that said something about death being graduation from life.


Give me a break, you're just as bad as this woman, so the cup made you think? Maybe, just maybe, thats what the whole purpose is! To make you think! You actually took time from your day to call and complain about some quote on a cup? Get a life!

Darleen

I am a Christian, and I'm not going to back down and say that because Starbucks is diverse, it's OK. It's not. How could Starbucks believe that printing a quote on a cup that single-handedly calls a majority of the United States population idiots is OK?

I don't see anywhere on the cup where we have called anyone an idiot. Why is it that it is always the catholics that get so offended when anyone questions their faith? I'm catholic yet I was raised to let people have their own opinions. I agree with barista to the stars, if you are strong in your faith then you will know the answer already. To quit patronizing somewhere because their beliefs may or may not be different than yours are also a form of discrimination, doesn't religion teach us to love everyone, regardless??? I guess it's love everyone as long as they believe in what you do, the rest be damned.

Herman M.

Darleen, the person said "Christian" not "Catholic". Just as a reminder, we Catholics are far fom a "majority of the US population". And our specialty is guilt, not taking offense when Protestants question our faith. ;-)

Bottom line, like the last quote that raised this much ire, this one has struck close to home for someone. It did not single them out nor make specific reference to their beliefs. But as the old saying about shoes fitting goes...

What does interest me is that our company goes so far out of its way to avoid the dread "C" word during holiday season, yet somewhat nonchalantly puts a quote that centers on a God (a reminder: Judaism and Islam both capitalize as well, and are in fact the same) and the existence thereof on cups everyone is going to see.

Some of the choices seem a bit out of whack on that series. But I can safely say they are doing what we wanted. People are talking.

Darleen

herman, the woman who complained in the article stated she is catholic, thats why my post said catholics...and you're right, people are talking. :)

ex-barista

Barista to the stars has it right.
It is just words on a cup.
And probably someone wanting some attention.
I usually don't even look at the quotes...
I just want my coffee.

Kat

I agree with Barista to the Stars. It's just words on a cup for pete's sake (I better not say 'for Gods sake', I might offend someone).

The world is full of people that don't believe in the same thing, and well gosh darn, sometimes a person is going to run into others of a differing view. And maybe a view they may not like. No one says we get to go through life and not hear differing views now and then.

I don't recall Starbucks saying it's solely a Christian company and I applaud them for putting stuff like this on their cups. It's better than flowers, swirlies and crap. At least it might make you think a few minutes and if you don't like what you read? Fine, you admit you don't agree and drink your coffee and that's that. And if you do like it, or it makes you consider something you hadn't before? Spiffy.

Seems to me this woman is being overly uptight over something trivial. Maybe she should be upset about something more important like, oh, starving children in Africa or dying people in Iraq? It must be really hard for her to get through the day and not be offended throughout it.

Jeesh.

connie

You are all missing the point. The point is that Starbucks is a business, and printing something on the side of a cup that is likely to offend a a certain percentage of customers is just stupid. Whether a Rick Warren quote, or a quote purporting that my God is an "imaginary friend," doesn't matter. Starbucks is in the business of selling coffee, period. Offending people does not further that mission.

If it were me in that store I'd just demand a different cup. They'd eat the cost of the offending cup, I'd still get my mocha, my point would be made, win-win.

Tall Drip

I have no problems with that iteration of "The Way I See It." I think that is actually one of the cool things SBUX does, even if I've found some of the quotes pretty cheesy. I hope the company doesn't back down and get all over-PCd because of some quasi-religious nutjob.

Mairnéalach

Har har! Why doesn't Starbucks try selling a cup of this java to someone from Java, who lost their entire family to the tsunami? I'm sure their prospective customer will be delighted to learn of their newly minted cosmic powers of earth control. Perhaps, as a consolation prize for unwittingly killing their family members, they can go join Charles Xavier's school for gifted mutants.

BroylingWater

I bet you that if the quote made fun of people who aren't religious, these people wouldn't give a damn..I swear, if the Christian Right isn't being coddled, they are bitching far more than any special interest group in history. Let's not lie, most overly religious people are idiots, because instead of figuring out life for themselves, and using faith to fill in the blanks, and so on, they just allow religion to basically run their lives, without using the one thing our Creator gave us, and that's common sense and logic..

badgerista

Okay, I'm a righty and a Christian. I DO NOT see how reading somebody else's opinion could possibly be so offensive. IMHO, if she's so convicted to her belief in God, such a quote should not shake her faith and cause her to *ahem* change her coffee habit. If she's in such disagreement with the quote, she should send her own in.

Lou Sussler

I particularly enjoyed one of the woman's reasons for being so upset. I'm paraphrasing here, "Our money even says in God we trust, it doesn't say in Alla we trust"

For someone who professes to be religious and not know that God, Allah, Jehova, etc. are all different names for the same thing is just silly.

I agree with the other posters, This is news?

curious george

I think the Dayton partners should be on the lookout for this woman in their stores...I'll bet one of her "large, house brewed coffees with nonfat milk and two Splenda" that she comes back within a week. She clearly just wants her name to be in the newspaper.

ALL OF YOU WHO AGREE WITH THIS WOMAN: Have you ever worked out? Done strength training? Muscles only get stronger when they work against resistance. A belief system is the same way. It's one thing to say what you believe it's another to understand what it means and to be able to remain strong in your convictions against resistance.


If you can't stand questions, can't understand why someone might think differently, you may want to ask why that is.


Thank God (couldn't resist) Starbuck's is willing to challenge people and the status quo by putting un-PC quotes on their cups. And it's brilliant, if you think about it.

BOSTON STARBUCKS REBEL

I think some people are just not humble enough to realize that there is a greater being out there who we refer to as God, aka Uncle Howie.

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BOSTON STARBUCKS REBEL

I'm sure if we said too bad Hitler missed all the Jews or some quote about Muslims blowing themselves up, Starbucks would have not posted the quote on the cup. Too bad because who really needs a bunch of smelly, towel kneeling guys screaming "Allah is great" crashing into buildings anyway?

LIVE FREE OR DIE

"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity!" I want that on a cup at Starbucks and then we can talk about politically incorrect!

LIVE FREE OR DIE

"Start with the maximum assertion about liberals, and then push the envelope, because, as we know, their evil is incalculable. THEY STAND FOR THE GODLESS RULE OF DICTATORS. They apologize for abortion, adultery, and everything bestial in society." Ann Coulter
I think that quote is the best and I would ROFL if I saw it because it is so true.

LIVE FREE OR DIE

Bill Schell obviously wrote this quote and he's from Canada. First another Ann Coulter comment is that Canadians should be careful that we just don't roll over one night and invade them. What would they do send the French after us, opppps I forgot they are being invaded by Muslims already so maybe there could be some militants over here? And second, is that we should pray for Mr. Schell, because obviously he does not believe in the God. Something says he's not Christian either.

BOSTON STARBUCKS REBEL

I think I am going to send in a Mission Review stating that I find that quote does not "Embrace diversity as an essential component in the way we do business."

mister_barista

After reading this, I'm reminded of a speech given by Douglas Adam in 1998 shortly before his death. It's reprinted as follows in Richard Dawkins, 'The God Delusion'. Take the time to read this passage, it fits this non-news story PERFECTLY.

"Religion...has certain ideas at the heart of it which we call sacred or holy or whatever. What it means is 'Here is an idea or a notion that you're not allowed to say anything bad about; you're just not. Why not? - because you're not!' If somebody votes for a party that you don't agree with, you're free to argue about it as much as you like; everybody will have an argument but nobody feels aggrieved by it. If somebody thinks taxes should go up or down you are free to have an argument about it, but on the other hand if somebody says 'I mustn't move a light switch on a Saturday', you say, 'I respect that'.

Why should it be that it's perfectly legitimate to support the Labour party or the Conservative party, Republicans or Democrats, this model of economics versus that, Macintosh instead of Windows, but to have an opinion about how the Universe began, about who created the Universe, no, that's holy?

We are used to not challenging religious ideas but it's very interesting how much of a furore comes about when someone does. Everybody gets absolutely frantic about it because you're not allowed to say these things. Yet when you look at it rationally there is no reason why those ideas shouldn't be as open to debate as any other, except that we have agreed somehow between us that they shouldn't be."

Kat

First of all Connie, I do get the point. Yes, Starbucks IS a business and it's bad business to do things that upset customers.

But the comment on the cup wasn't poking fun at Christians, as some seem to think. The quote is basically saying MAYBE God is a figment on our imagination, and MAYBE we should sometimes turn to ourselves for strength. I don't see how that is poking fun at all, but simply asking people to consider that maybe they have more in themselves than they might think they do. It's just not that big a deal to get upset or 'insulted' about, and the woman is far far too sensitive. Like I said, she wants to be offended she should find something worthwhile to be offended about. Something that matters. Some some quote on a cup. I find people like her far more offensive, because they expect everyone and everything to pussyfoot about their delicate sensibilities. So I hope she stays home and gets her coffee, or go to any number of 'christian' coffee shops that are out there instead. In fact, why wasn't she in the first place, since it matters so much to her?

Kat

That should read- 'Something that matters. Not some quote on a cup'.
:P

Fred Kiesche

"Just as a reminder, we Catholics are far fom a "majority of the US population". And our specialty is guilt, not taking offense when Protestants question our faith. ;-)"

I thought our (Catholics that is) specialty was love. That's what they said last Sunday...

BOSTON STARBUCKS REBEL

We should all realize that in our humility before He Who Is, we are strong.

Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.

Blessed are the beautiful, for they shall save the earth.

Blessed be the Siren, beautiful and terrible as the dawn.

harmaa

So why am I, as a pretty hardcore atheist (and one who loves reading religious histories of all kinds, at that), not taking offense at all the pro-God cup quotes (life is a school for angels, etc) and quitting my job?

Gee, I wonder.

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