Baylor University tells Starbucks to get rid of cup with gay-related quote

The Waco, Texas school had cups with a quote from gay novelist Armistead Maupin pulled after a faculty member complained. The Baylor Dining Services manager says the university agreed to get rid of the cups out of respect for "Baylor culture." She says: "There are different view points on the Baylor campus. We pulled the cup to be sensitive to viewpoints." Have a comment for Bayor? Here's contact info for the PR office. (Baylor Lariat)

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[real american]

i think that all of the pro homo people should really think about how destructive their actions are to the youth while they are in public. they are showing young ones that the sin of homosexuality is okay. we found out that second hand smoke was unhealthy so we kicked out all the smokers, well, in this AMERICAN'S opinion, i think we should kick out all the homos from our morally stable communities and places of commerce.

[chris]

sorry, 'real american,' but that is just really retarded. as hard to believe as it may seem, not everyone subscribes to the same moral/ethical dogma as you, and not everyone believes in your version of god. a bona fide 'real american' would realize that this country affords its citizens the right to choose how they want to live according to their individual beliefs (to an extent). it's not up to society to raise your children, or to ensure that everything they experience is up to your ridiculous moral standards. that's your job. if you can't do it, don't have kids.

on top of that, starbucks is a private business. don't like what's on the cups? don't shop there. nobody is forcing you, and honestly, i'd rather not serve somebody as bigoted, hateful and myopic as you.

[Sam]

Chris, that's exactly right. Not only does our country afford our citizens the right to choose how to live, but God Himself through the Bible gave us the right to choose from the beginning of creation. I don't think that we should call anyone's moral standards ridiculous, though. By doing that, you're judging them just as they judged you. The right to choose how we want to live and yet judging others for the way they live don't go together. God loves all of us, and we are all sinners. We should love one another as God loves us. We shouldn't kick homosexuals out of America, but we should tell them what the Bible says about it, not to condemn them, but out of love for them. Whether or not they agree is up to them. Even though we have the freedom of choice, if we make the wrong choice, we will have to live with the consequences.

[Rodger]

"We shouldn't kick homosexuals out of America, but we should tell them what the Bible says about it, not to condemn them, but out of love for them." I just love this! I was at dinner with a new female friend. She has short hair was eating crab cakes AND shrimp.... I sincerely told her that I loved her and showed her in my bible where it states that she must not cut her "crowning glory" and must never eat shellfish. Funny thing, she was not amused nor was she happy to hear this! I was shocked. I told her that I was not trying to condemn her, but I loved her and wanted to make sure she made it to heaven. She wanted me to explain the difference. I am SOOOO lonely.

"Allowing anything that goes against the Baptist covenant and beliefs will not be allowed on campus."

The fact that Starbucks continues to exist on your campus allows me to call your statement for what it is: A steaming load of dung.

Virtually every diversity and inclusiveness principle embraced by that company is in direct opposition to the Baptist covenant. Every day, Baylor students and faculty line up and make a statement: "I'll flush my core beliefs down the toilet before I go without my daily caffeine fix." Consumerist Christians, to the core.

Is it any wonder, then, that text on a coffee cup telling you to be true to yourself would cause such a negative reaction? Being reminded of one's hypocrisy can be quite uncomfortable.

[Dave]

Here's an idea for the next great Starbuck cup series. Because it teaches the Bible, it should find be a hit at Baylor University.

Janis Walworth wrote, 'Gay people have been falsely blamed for disasters ever since Sodom was destroyed by fire and brimstone.

'According to a reliable source, the destruction of Sodom was indeed an act of God (see Genesis 19:13) and was perpetrated because the citizens thereof were, according to the same source (see Ezekiel 16:49-50), "arrogant, overfed and
unconcerned [and] did not help the poor and needy" - not because they were gay.'

Tammie: Yeah, tolerance and acceptance of diversity. What HORRID "social agenda" to "push."

[corianderstem]

that should read, "What A horrid ..."

[Paul]

hey
how can i get hold of the Armistead Maupin cup??? (not that I'm obsessed or anything!) We don't have the campaign running in the UK at the moment and i'm desperate to see the cup for myself
cheers
Paul (from London)

[Lesbian in the South]

Per the Real American "I think we should kick out all the homos from our morally stable communities and places of commerce."

Are you serious? I am a lesbian. I live with my partner in a very nice community. We have a ton of friends (gay and straight). We are no different than any other couple that’s in love. We are committed to one another, we work full-time jobs, pay our taxes and our bills and we’re raising two very well adjusted teenagers. We are not promiscuous. We are healthy, active adult women who just happen to be in love with each other. We don’t push our lifestyle on anyone, but we don’t hide it either. If we walk down the street holding hands, we’re not trying to force our lifestyle on you, we’re being a couple in love. If we slow dance in a nightclub, it’s no different than a straight couple dancing. If I understand your comment correctly, you think homosexuals shouldn’t be allowed in public places. Thank goodness America is made up of many cultures, lifestyles and beliefs. If everyone believed your way, this would be a boring place to live. We are raising our kids to have open minds, open hearts and acceptance of diversity.

Are there really any "morally stable communities"? My dad was a Baptist minister. I was in church most of my life. I’ve seen the chairman of the deacons cry at the alter on Sunday morning and get sloppy drunk on Friday night. I have had two of my uncles who were supposedly good Christian men try to rape me. Yeah, these moral communities only exist in the public eye. If you could go behind some of the closed doors of these homes in this “moral community” you would find a whole lot of “immorality” going on!!!

We respect other people’s right to believe as they choose. We (homosexuals) only want the same respect.

[Alistair]

I'm gay - what lifestyle am I supposed to have? Seems like mine is pretty much the same as my straight next-door neighbor. Am I missing something here? How can anyone assume that gays have a completely different "gay lifestyle"? Baylor doesn't know what they're talking about with this lifestyle nonsense. I commend Starbucks for printing thought provoking quotations and I regret that a mind-shrinking pseudo-university has forced them to censor these.

[Korry]

"Forcing you to agree with our beliefs would be COMPLETELY AGAINST the Bible."

"We shouldn't kick homosexuals out of America, but we should tell them what the Bible says about it, not to condemn them, but out of love for them."

Y'all reading the same bible? I respect your right to believe whatever you choose to believe. I don't respect your right to proselytize. If you have the right to not read about homosexuality on a cup, I have the right to not listen to your beliefs. I don't respect doubld standards. Whatever it is you believe, in this country we have the SAME rights.

They aren't talking about gay "lifestyle" or homosexual "values". They're talking about sex. To say the word would apparently be a sin.

[Pablo]

"... Life is too damn short" As a barista, if I was to state this whole quote as my own to a customer (with kids or not). and ended the statement (regardless of homosexuality being involved) with "... life is too damn short". I don't think Howard would think too fondly of it. So why is it ok on a cup if I don't feel like I could tastefully say it with my mouth?
In a practical sense I don't think the qoute on the cup is appropriate.

your friend Pablo
(regardless of whether I am a Christian or not)

[Korry]

But, Pablo, that part of the quote had nothing to do with their reason for wanting the cup removed. So it's irrelavant. Their Christian faith, and it's views on homosexuality had everything to do with their reason for having the cup removed. As someone from Baylor has stated. Not being argumentative here. Just clarifying. :)

[beverly]

can i make a comment? i'm not sure if this was said already cause this is a VERY long thread and i don't have time to go over the whole thing... i'll just say what i want to say, quickly.
1) today's society puts lots of emphasis on not offending people... so what if someone was offended by the quote in question? wouldn't it be fair to not hold a double-standard, as so many individuals seem to these days? i think the university was just acting in accordance with their beliefs. there is NOTHING wrong with that. to each their own... and frankly, if the students really have a desperate need to see the "gay quote", they can go to a local starbucks off-campus and request one.

2) when someone orders a signle shot grande, i ring up a tall, then if you look towards the bottom of that screen, there is a little button that says "add dairy". you use that button, and it only charges the person for the extra milk, as opposed to the extra shot as well.

3) i have a couple customers who order a 6-shot latte, and one that orders a 7. i've talked to some of these people, and the thing about it is, they don't guzzle it. they sip it over an extended period of time. THAT will not cause a heart attack. what will is a high dosage of caffeine in a short period of time.

thank you.

"i think the university was just acting in accordance with their beliefs. there is NOTHING wrong with that. "

There's quite a bit wrong here, actually.

If the university was actually acting according to their beliefs I would agree with you. That Starbucks is still open on campus shows they are not. The cup is gone, but every day Starbucks corporate principles -- most of them -- run contrary to the beliefs of Baylor.

The cup removal was an empty and superficial gesture. It reeks of "slacktivism" in that it probably made everyone on Baylor's side feel all warm-n-fuzzy but didn't actually accomplish anything. Well, aside from making them look extremely foolish, that is.

Furthermore, let's remember how this whole tempest in a coffee cup started: A faculty member complained about the quote. Odds run exceptionally high that the complainant serves in a professorial role on campus, and that person objected to a quote which essentially said "Be honest. The only person you're cheating if you're not, is yourself."

In other words, be true to yourself. That someone -- especially an instructor -- would have a problem with that message because the words "gay" or "damn" might be included is worthy of ridicule and, in my opinion, quite wrong.

[Tammie]

strong argument above post- yet I wonder...so, falling short on acting on a personal conviction is a common thread so since we are all so "wise" and diverse...we can all ACCEPT and TOLERATE this approach,right? in other words- in the name of diversity - is ridicule from you the right approach for another falling short of personal convictions?

" is ridicule from you the right approach for another falling short of personal convictions?"

Well, yes.

Here we have a group of people who are shouting rather loudly about acting on their conviction, but doing nothing of the sort. And when that's pointed out to them, they yell even louder that they are acting on some of their convictions and that we shouldn't judge them for making the most superficial demonstration.

If that isn't ridiculous and therefore deserving of ridicule, I don't know what is.

You may now engage your Christian kneejerk persecution complex.

(((a single grande latte is supposed to rung in as a grande latte, although a tall latte add dairy is more accurate; it's in "the good book" to ring it in as a grande)))
:)
>>back on topic

[roger a durand]

Toleration is the best religion.

[Denise]

Who needs further proof that Christians should just ban themselves from drinking caffeinated beverages? Two birds, one stone (then again, let's not bring up stoning...or glass houses...)

Just a thought ;)

[Charles]

If *$ is so concerned with tolerance and free-thinking, why haven't I seen any Bible verses quoted on the sides of their cups? Anyone seen any quotes from Christian philosophers, preachers or evangelists? Let's just call it what it is, a means of spreading liberal ideas.

Many of the posters here criticize Baylor for their lack of tolerance, then back up their arguments by spouting out blanket statements about hypocritical Baptists...somehow it reeks of hypocrisy in its own right.

[javajockey]

Because, Charles, the cups have quotes from PEOPLE, not religious texts. And, they are not meant to reflect religious or political beliefs of one sort over another, but an individual's personal philosophy.
Are all the people quoted liberals? I'm not so sure. One of the quotes is from Jonah Goldberg, who is the editor of The National Review Online. Not exactly a left-wing radical, eh?

[msuspartan1981]

How 'bout a comprimse?

Keep the Maupin quote on the cup, but put some Pat Roberston Christian hate speech on the sleeve.

[brian]

CHARLES
everyone is so concerned about the "liberal agenda" and such. the idea of liberalism is one of progressivism.
don't you realism that jesus himself was considered liberal during his time?

how can you claim to be a member of a religion that was founded on liberal/progressive ideas and despise the idea in modern day society?

[Raymond]

Starbucks were selling on campus ground and the Christian collage has every right to decide for themselves what is accepbale and not.The university is not trying to push thier beliefs on you guy so dont try to push your beliefs on them.God Bless

Raymond, that's a non-issue. No one here is debating whether or not they have the right to do so. We're simply mocking them for their Christian-themed slacktivism for banning a cup about honesty, but allowing a corporation with principles and ideals they're not compatible with to operate on-campus.

[Rob]

My favorite thing about the Baylor U. controversy is that they said it was done out of sensitivity to others, realizing that there might be a differnt point of view emerging from the univerisyt. Hey Baylor! Being gay IS different. Can you be sensitive to homosexuals, and allow them to write some thoughts on a cup? If you weren't throwing away these cups, you might get to know some decent human beings!

[Spaz Cadet]

Ironically, if no one at Baylor had known Maupin was gay (and how *would* they know? How come saints are so damn familiar with sin??) the quote could have applied to a hetero situation.

I mean, we've all had SO's we've been embarrassed about.

It's not just the gay sex they're freaked out about: it's the love that transcends social mores of any stripe.

[Mike]

I'm going to take the moral high ground here and not make the easy joke about "extra cream."
Personally, if I'm gonna pay $5 bucks for a cup of coffee, I would appreciate not having to read a gay man's lament about about not having spent enough of his youth "grinding another man's coffee beans." OKAY?
Maybe the Gays would have no problem with the local Beer distributor placing cups with quotes from Leviticus in gay bars?
Would buying tasty, but absurdly expensive coffee, without once having to think of the Act of Sodomy be too much to ask for?

[javajockey]

Alright, now: for Mike, and the rest of you repressed homophobes...
Here is the quote:
"My only regret about being gay is that I repressed it for so long. I surrendered my youth to the people I feared when I could have been out there loving someone. Don't make that mistake yourself. Life's too damn short."

I don't understand how a man stating his regret for not being true to himself and living his life is a testimony to sodomy (that Mike capitalized this phrase is interesting).
He's talking about living without fear, Mike. He's talking about not wasting your life worrying about what others think. Maybe if you let go of your own fear you would recognize that.
And, by the way, the moral high ground is over your head.

[smartypants]

Actually had to laugh Sunday when my coffee came in the controversial Maupin cup (not in Texas, though). I hope next time, the Baylor outpost gets a "special" assortment of cups with quotes about God not existing or something.

[Kristen]

Can I request a different cup if I don't agree with my cup? I would assume that many people who support the cup in question might be equally offended by the quote from Jesus, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except by me." I don't ask you to support my beliefs - why are you so bothered when I don't support yours.

[Robert Jones]

Baylor is a Private Baptist University. This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

[larry leisuresuit]

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[student]

I know that this is really old news (and it's unlikely that anyone will read this), but I am writing a paper about the overwhelming existence and implications of political correctness in our society, and I remembered this incidence from earlier in the year, so I looked it up again.

As a Baylor student, I would like to rebut many of the attacks and presuppositions about Baylor University and the views of the students. I do not know of a SINGLE student who commended the decision to send back the "controversial" cups, but rather, pretty much everyone was either appalled, amused, or simply ambivalent (chalking it up to the whole private Baptist school thing).

The fact remains that it was ONE professor who complained, and from that, the administration decided to simply send the cups back (which left me and many of my fellow students initially shocked and a little amused), in an attempt to not offend anyone. So please, stop stereotyping the students and faculty of Baylor, saying that we are close-minded, homophobic, delusional, "holier-than-thou," etc. and look at what you're doing - isn't it pretty much the same?

Hooray for hypocrisy! We're all so good at it these days, aren't we?

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that quote was offensive, it's like someone telling the world 'i'm glad i finally murdered someone, i waited too long to become depraved'. one day all this gay rights nonsense will be regarded as the mere madness of a depraved and sinful culture. they will look back on it and be glad it's over, like the roman empire and nazi germany.

there's no such thing as 'homophobia'

[ashley ford]

Its just an opinion. its just on a cup.
its someone's thoughts. someone has compiled statements to give the reader a different perspective. refusing to recognize the validity of someone else's perspective is akin to saying that someone doesnt exist.

I am a baylor student. i sometimes venture to starbucks for caramel apple ciders. i always read the cup. i like the perspectives. even if i didnt, they are still valid and deserve to be printed.

furthermore, the bible prohibits a number of silly things. read leviticus for pete's sake.

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